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welcome to shattered reality with their

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hosts Kate Valentine and furs prepare to

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have your paradigm shifted into truths

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questioned and now shattered reality

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well hi there Purusha here we are again

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hey Kate today is July 31st 2018 and if

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you follow you know shamanistic kind of

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studies sometime tonight into tomorrow

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is called cross quarters Midsummer's

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Night and that's what the Shakespearean

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play was basically about because it

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persists in northern Europe particularly

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in Great Britain and the British Isles

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Ireland as well sort of a veneration of

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the Solstice the equinox and then the

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course crossed quarters so we're right

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now Beach the exact time between the

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summer solstice which is generally

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around June 21st and the autumn equinox

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which is generally around September 21st

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now because the calendar isn't perfect

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it goes back and forth by a couple of

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days but that's not where we heard talk

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about is it no is it but it was

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celebrated on the Golden Girls - it was

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a whole episode on it on midsummer night

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yeah yeah Blanche Blanche okay

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anyway we got two handsome guys with us

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here today so we got two very handsome

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guys with us mm-hmm

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before I introduce them okay I did want

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to mention the fact that I was at the

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MUFON Capote symposium on

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Saturday July 28th and Sunday July 29th

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and was rather disappointed that the

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private speaker of the evening with it

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was supposed to be a one-on-one with

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Lewis Elizondo who purportedly is in the

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process of doing some disclosure via the

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Defense Intelligence Agency but he got

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called away at the last minute but to

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muffins

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credit they did give me back the $50

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extra they were charging to do a Q&A

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with him but they did give the money

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back but I was majorly disappointed in

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that however I want to speak to

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something else up a very famous abductee

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was there which I'm sure both of our

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guests have heard of that person was

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Travis Walton and I have met Travis

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Walton a couple of times I mean we're

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not even acquaintances he meets so many

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people but I have had the pleasure of

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seeing him speak in person I believe

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this is the third time have his book

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have all that stuff going on I went over

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to Calvin's table I analyzed his

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handwriting he seemed to be very amused

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interested pleased about that but at the

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end of his presentation on Sunday July

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23rd he did have a Q&A and in his Q&A a

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gentleman got up the last questioner a

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MUFON I don't know if it was a MUFON

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executive or a MUFON investigator

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probably an investigator gentleman got

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up and said to him Calvin I have two

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questions for you you can not answer if

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you want you can answer just the first

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and not the second or whatever you want

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and so he said Travis since your

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abduction experience and the fact that

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you're pretty public about it and you've

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been around to a lot of conferences and

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stuff have you ever seen someone there

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that at the conferences or in a public

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venue that you thought was not quite

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human-like maybe they were a high-bred

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this exactly he said something of that

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nature and if you have could you first

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at least just say yes or no and if you

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can't go further than that I'll

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understand but maybe you want to tell us

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the circumstances of seeing such an

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individual and Travis Walton went up to

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the microphone he took a deep breath he

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looked around he said yes I have he

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walked away from the microphone and he

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left the room so with that all right

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with that I want to introduce our two

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guests for today

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the first one is Calvin Parker from the

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Pascagoula incident who has written a

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marvelous new book that has been

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published by Philip mantel and we are

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indebted to Philip mantel for getting

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Calvin on with us today welcome Calvin

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Terry Lovelace who is also an abductee

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and has been on the show before I

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believe he was on in April but I might

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be off a little bit of you half a dozen

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shows ago

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Terry Lovelace was on with me Kate

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couldn't make it that day and and Terry

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will be asking Calvin some questions

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during the show but first let's welcome

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both of them well welcome to the show

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both you guys Calvin and Terry thank you

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thank you so Calvin a lot of people of

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know of the Pascagoula incident before I

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asked you to recount the general facts

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about that I wonder if you could tell us

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a little bit about your life in

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Mississippi about your relationship with

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the other abductee and tell us a little

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bit about what got you out into

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the woods that night fishing I was

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living in law Mississippi but a longtime

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friend I was not a longtime friend of

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Charlie's but my father was a longtime

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friend of Charlie hits and the guy that

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was with me so I was in the oil field

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day and I was gonna get married and on

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November so I wanted something a little

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more settled a job kind of more settled

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down and Charlie had eye opening at the

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step yard first ship fitter so on I

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called Charlie go daddy told me about it

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and I called Charlie up and went to work

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for Charlie at the shipyard and I hate

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to say it but I was just there two days

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when all that has happened so it didn't

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last long hopefully but we used to fish

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together with Charlie and I'm good

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siblings or whatever they are but you

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know I know him real well like I said

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Charlie and I were not friends up until

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this part here because he was a good

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deal older and I was so long so anyhow

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work that they didn't we decided we was

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Charlie's house and picked up the

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fishing equipment and we drove to a old

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abandoned shipyard that was owned had

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been abandoned for a good while cuz

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there and one other place and no grain

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in there and all and I was thankful that

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place I asked Charlie I said while they

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leave such a mess down in here he said

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it washes all this thing off everybody's

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property and then when it goes out it

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stays he said that's just answer your

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question honest so it was a real

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field away so we got to equipment and we

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bit and no I saying reflection across

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the water but it didn't it was landed

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laws done here a bit they gonna make us

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move because we're trespassing on this

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other property here I would not

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trespassing there by the fishes here

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what he said

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stood up in a turn around and look and I

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you need to take a look and he stood up

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and he looked and about that time the

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lights just out extremely bright coming

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off of this so they're really not off

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the craft but they had opened the door

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whatever was in it opened the door and

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the lights were so bright coming out it

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almost blinds you I think at one time I

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described it like looking at somebody

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welding something that's how bright the

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lights were and it was 30 I don't know

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if there was robots or what they were

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two foot off the ground the craft that

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were set directly on the ground was

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probably two-foot hood whirring two foot

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off the ground and you didn't hear any

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noise coming from it two of them got

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ahold of Charlie and one got ahold of

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myself and they float floated me inside

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the fear left because I was really

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considering running but there was just

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nowhere to run so the very minute they

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got ahold of me I figured they gave me

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some kind of injection

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because I felt a little staying in a

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herd a little law no always and in my

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harm so I said where they injected me

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with something but they carried me

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floated me rather than inside the crowd

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well I couldn't see charlie because I

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couldn't turn my head and look because I

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this time I feel like I was drugged

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so they floated this inside the craft

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and they made a little left and they

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made a immediate right with me

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and I looked around and I couldn't it's

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where I could see just in front of me

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they wouldn't know like pictures or

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anything and I couldn't figure out on my

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life where all the lights was coming

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from just like it was coming out of the

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walls and this creature took me over or

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this being or whatever he was laid me

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down on something I felt like it was

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probably a table and I was at about a 45

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degree angle but I couldn't feel no

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table under me I couldn't feel nothing

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and I couldn't I had lost all my sins

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then because I'm assuming the pain well

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he got up and he left the being you mean

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the being got up and left the being left

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this one here I think this one was more

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like a robot than a bent knee because

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when this one left there's another one

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that looked a little little bit better

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you know that come in I figured I'm

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thank you to myself this has got to be a

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female because it's built like a female

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but it wasn't built like a female but it

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was a little more little easier to look

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at than the Wanda left I call it the big

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ugly one left and they left this one in

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and there was a Dido probably the size

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of a deck of cards that was sitting

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spinning just going around on my head a

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dis circling now that wasn't a desk it

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was something about the size of a deck

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of cards and it was silver on bottom but

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it would click he would go click click

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click click and it did that four times

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front side back side front

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and then the day is just kind of went

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back up into walls somewhere I don't

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know exactly where it went and that's

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when this female creature come and she

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did I y'all like a little examination

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there and then I was thinking to myself

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you know I can take her and I'll get the

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hell out of here I'm not gonna hang

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around just to but I couldn't move I

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couldn't resist any at all so she turned

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around and went back out the room never

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seen the door that she came out of never

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seen no windows in there and this big

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ugly wouldn't come back in and got me

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and carried me out to the river he set

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me down exactly about the same place I

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was but I was facing the river at this

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time with my arms stretched out and

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that's when I heard Charlie Charlie said

283
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Calvin Calvin you okay you okay son and

284
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that was really a relief to you know to

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hear his voice but uh after they said us

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man we sat there for a few minutes he

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said well said endless talk about this I

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said well let's do talk about this

289
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Charlie me and you I don't want nobody

290
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else to know I don't want to tell nobody

291
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I don't want to call nobody this is it

292
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it's over weird for me

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and they said well we gotta call

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somebody I said well I ain't calling

295
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nobody he said well we're gonna call law

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Keesler so who's that he said drop that

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is the Air Force Basin local air force

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base here okay so we went back to my car

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and I notice it was a struggle to get

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back to the car through all that debris

301
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you know but before we left you know why

302
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turn around looked and this thing was

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straight up in the air and it

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disappeared within just a second I mean

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it was just a zip and it was gone you a

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little swooshing noise and when I got to

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the car my car was parked kind of

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parallel with it and the driver side

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toward I'm into the passenger side

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toward the crowd and the Winters was

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shattered the passenger side window was

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shattered and in my car

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No yeah but it was shattered in place

314
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ahead and fell out yet matter of fact it

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didn't fall till Charlie open the door

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to get in and then it just fell out hit

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the ground with this at the time this

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was 1973 it was a brand new car we got

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anything I tried the cranky they

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wouldn't crane I said oh my and then

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kept trying and finally it cranked up it

322
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did run really brother and we got out of

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there and the first stop that we made

324
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was that a yo little magic Mart store

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because they had a payphone that there

326
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back then they didn't have cell phones

327
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they just had pay phones so we stopped

328
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and Charlie got on the phone and he

329
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called or kiss or kiss or told Charlie

330
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we don't investigate that kind of thing

331
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anymore

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you need to call the local authorities

333
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because we just don't check into this

334
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anymore so Charlie dated he owned called

335
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the Sheriff Department that was as local

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as you can get and they said stay right

337
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there will you bar we're gonna check you

338
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we're gonna beat there in just a minute

339
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and they wouldn't be just a few minutes

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they was there and we took him at the

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world they stayed down and they pulled

342
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up and they looked in the card to see

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what was going on they got us out of the

344
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car did a sobriety test check to see if

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they thought was on drugs or checks and

346
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said was drinking and Charlie had had

347
00:17:21,810 --> 00:17:18,910
one little drink out of a Jim Beam

348
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bottle that he had I didn t know it was

349
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in the car and they told me that said

350
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well get in you can drive and follow us

351
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back to the Sheriff Department so they

352
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took us back to the sheriff's department

353
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and they took us into separate rooms

354
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Charlie went in a different room when I

355
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went in the room some people went with

356
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him and some were me they interrogated

357
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us then they put us in the same room

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well little did I know that this room

359
00:17:50,430 --> 00:17:48,040
that they couldn't see and they had a

360
00:17:52,670 --> 00:17:50,440
tape recorder hid in there that was

361
00:17:54,659 --> 00:17:52,680
listening Charlie announced conversation

362
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so they

363
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after that are together for a few

364
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minutes and then they said I'll put us

365
00:18:05,879 --> 00:18:03,820
back into a different rooms and the

366
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sheriff the head sheriff came in Fred

367
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diamond he went and I sent him get the

368
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tape recorder right they listened to the

369
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tape he come in he said oh we don't let

370
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y'all go on home now or go wherever you

371
00:18:21,389 --> 00:18:18,730
want to so we'd been drinking that

372
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should answer a lot of questions right

373
00:18:26,340 --> 00:18:23,679
then they would never let us drive away

374
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from there they'd still been been riding

375
00:18:34,080 --> 00:18:30,070
tickets but we got in the car we was

376
00:18:37,799 --> 00:18:34,090
gonna drive home oh gosh like they just

377
00:18:41,430 --> 00:18:37,809
here I'm sorry oh boy so we must don't

378
00:18:47,539 --> 00:18:41,440
drive up home and we stopped again at

379
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AOL Magic Mart store all the way in and

380
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just sit there for just a minute

381
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everything was closed because at a small

382
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town at this time of the night now

383
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there's nothing open so we sat down to

384
00:19:02,909 --> 00:19:01,389
talk just a minute and I said Charlie

385
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you know I'm really worried about being

386
00:19:07,379 --> 00:19:04,749
contaminated about something being

387
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honest radiation or maybe some kind of

388
00:19:12,299 --> 00:19:09,100
bacteria or something we need to get

389
00:19:15,389 --> 00:19:12,309
checked he said don't worry about it we

390
00:19:17,190 --> 00:19:15,399
would take care of it tomorrow and I did

391
00:19:18,479 --> 00:19:17,200
that it really bothered me that night

392
00:19:21,539 --> 00:19:18,489
that there was something I didn't want

393
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nobody else to be contaminated to

394
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nothing

395
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and so we went on home went to charli's

396
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place I was written off room from him at

397
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the time so when we got a home I went

398
00:19:38,820 --> 00:19:35,470
into my room and I pulled all my clothes

399
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off all my shoes off I put them in a

400
00:19:43,560 --> 00:19:41,470
garbage bag and I went in took a good

401
00:19:50,460 --> 00:19:43,570
shower and I took my stuff out and

402
00:19:54,419 --> 00:19:50,470
throws in the then and all of it then

403
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all of a sudden I went to bed and I woke

404
00:19:58,619 --> 00:19:56,320
up and it was time for us to go to work

405
00:20:00,419 --> 00:19:58,629
I don't guess Charlie ever went to bed I

406
00:20:03,029 --> 00:20:00,429
don't know he had told his wife that

407
00:20:06,720 --> 00:20:03,039
9:00 and kids or not I don't think he

408
00:20:07,769 --> 00:20:06,730
dated because we don't agreed between us

409
00:20:12,029 --> 00:20:07,779
if we wouldn't don't tell

410
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anybody so we went to work the next

411
00:20:19,369 --> 00:20:15,340
morning we got to work and we was out on

412
00:20:22,200 --> 00:20:19,379
the field or out working on a shield and

413
00:20:25,320 --> 00:20:22,210
the head office sent somebody down to

414
00:20:27,419 --> 00:20:25,330
get us the press had started rolling in

415
00:20:30,479 --> 00:20:27,429
they was calling they were stopping

416
00:20:32,450 --> 00:20:30,489
their phones and they they they had to

417
00:20:35,099 --> 00:20:32,460
shut pretty much shut the office down

418
00:20:38,930 --> 00:20:35,109
because they couldn't get no calls and

419
00:20:41,849 --> 00:20:38,940
do no business so I talked to one of the

420
00:20:43,680 --> 00:20:41,859
supervisors the other day and I didn t

421
00:20:46,469 --> 00:20:43,690
know he was down here and when he found

422
00:20:48,450 --> 00:20:46,479
out I was doing a book he coming told me

423
00:20:50,489 --> 00:20:48,460
he said Calvin I don't know that you

424
00:20:52,799 --> 00:20:50,499
remember me and then I did remember him

425
00:20:54,719 --> 00:20:52,809
when he started talking he said but I'm

426
00:20:55,919 --> 00:20:54,729
the one thing I remember about you is

427
00:20:58,049 --> 00:20:55,929
you being on your hands and knees

428
00:21:02,039 --> 00:20:58,059
throwing up outside at the parking lot

429
00:21:05,579 --> 00:21:02,049
when I send up for you I said yeah I was

430
00:21:07,619 --> 00:21:05,589
pretty upset so we got back to the

431
00:21:10,739 --> 00:21:07,629
office and that's when we found out it's

432
00:21:13,440 --> 00:21:10,749
a prayer yes somehow able to Sheriff

433
00:21:16,310 --> 00:21:13,450
Department had leaked it out or somebody

434
00:21:19,950 --> 00:21:16,320
had but the only people that knew was

435
00:21:21,769 --> 00:21:19,960
charlie myself Caitlin or that they had

436
00:21:24,959 --> 00:21:21,779
called Kasler and the Sheriff Department

437
00:21:27,389 --> 00:21:24,969
so I figured back then nobody

438
00:21:29,940 --> 00:21:27,399
everybody's hobby was listening in on

439
00:21:31,889 --> 00:21:29,950
these scanners and that's about the only

440
00:21:34,469 --> 00:21:31,899
thing they could do and I believe that's

441
00:21:37,950 --> 00:21:34,479
the way that they picked out this but it

442
00:21:41,729 --> 00:21:37,960
was a nightmare from their own so that

443
00:21:46,889 --> 00:21:41,739
was those were like a guys up ham radio

444
00:21:49,259 --> 00:21:46,899
operators the CB scanners oh yes sir and

445
00:21:51,719 --> 00:21:49,269
the Sheriff Department had one and you

446
00:21:54,989 --> 00:21:51,729
know they would put stuff out on that so

447
00:21:57,359 --> 00:21:54,999
well you know I got a feeling that's how

448
00:21:59,729 --> 00:21:57,369
everything got leaked out but I know it

449
00:22:04,499 --> 00:21:59,739
was rough right there for a few days

450
00:22:07,950 --> 00:22:04,509
they had oh well when we got to work the

451
00:22:10,709 --> 00:22:07,960
the shipyard had an attorney that they

452
00:22:13,200 --> 00:22:10,719
called in for us and he set up an

453
00:22:18,299 --> 00:22:13,210
appointment get checked for radiation

454
00:22:19,970 --> 00:22:18,309
and he set up apartment the hospital

455
00:22:24,169 --> 00:22:19,980
there for us go get checked

456
00:22:25,669 --> 00:22:24,179
health to be checked so we went in of

457
00:22:27,860 --> 00:22:25,679
course the half checked out good

458
00:22:30,830 --> 00:22:27,870
everything but being shook up the

459
00:22:32,690 --> 00:22:30,840
radiation at Kaiser we pulled up that

460
00:22:34,850 --> 00:22:32,700
was really scary it was probably ten

461
00:22:38,000 --> 00:22:34,860
people standing outside with these suits

462
00:22:39,350 --> 00:22:38,010
on and I thought you know the hospital

463
00:22:41,659 --> 00:22:39,360
must have found something really bad

464
00:22:44,840 --> 00:22:41,669
wrong with us or they wouldn't be doing

465
00:22:47,210 --> 00:22:44,850
this but they did they did that message

466
00:22:48,919 --> 00:22:47,220
y'all clear yo wait right here a minute

467
00:22:51,680 --> 00:22:48,929
we're gonna send somebody down here to

468
00:22:54,380 --> 00:22:51,690
get you and take you to the office so

469
00:22:56,539 --> 00:22:54,390
they took us in our office at Keesler we

470
00:22:59,600 --> 00:22:56,549
walked down a long hallway and when we

471
00:23:04,159 --> 00:22:59,610
got there we went in and they asked a

472
00:23:06,770 --> 00:23:04,169
lot of questions and nothing that you'd

473
00:23:08,840 --> 00:23:06,780
figured that they would ask but they

474
00:23:11,330 --> 00:23:08,850
just wanted to check her sincerity and

475
00:23:14,539 --> 00:23:11,340
all that and talk to us and then they

476
00:23:16,159 --> 00:23:14,549
turn around let us go did you say or

477
00:23:21,830 --> 00:23:16,169
anything for many government agencies

478
00:23:23,690 --> 00:23:21,840
after that I did some water before the

479
00:23:25,820 --> 00:23:23,700
hurricane they sent two minutes out on

480
00:23:28,700 --> 00:23:25,830
that meeting the mind got all destroyed

481
00:23:31,250 --> 00:23:28,710
in all Katrina we got about eight foot

482
00:23:33,230 --> 00:23:31,260
of water in the house so everything all

483
00:23:35,539 --> 00:23:33,240
my files and stuff like that got

484
00:23:38,409 --> 00:23:35,549
destroyed doctor back here because I

485
00:23:42,740 --> 00:23:38,419
didn't I was never gonna write a book or

486
00:23:44,240 --> 00:23:42,750
do anything with it anyway yes I was do

487
00:23:46,370 --> 00:23:44,250
you want to tell us the name of your

488
00:23:48,620 --> 00:23:46,380
book just once again and you know where

489
00:23:50,060 --> 00:23:48,630
people can get it because that's part of

490
00:23:52,159 --> 00:23:50,070
the purpose of being on the show I'm

491
00:23:55,940 --> 00:23:52,169
guessing okay

492
00:23:59,450 --> 00:23:55,950
it's Pascagoula the closest encounter my

493
00:24:02,930 --> 00:23:59,460
story Calvin Parker and Amazon has a

494
00:24:07,340 --> 00:24:02,940
loan sale excellent so excellent I just

495
00:24:10,280 --> 00:24:07,350
go to Amazon and click books and you

496
00:24:14,260 --> 00:24:10,290
know the title when it pops up now one

497
00:24:17,870 --> 00:24:14,270
thing that seems to be a universal

498
00:24:21,190 --> 00:24:17,880
amongst people who have been abducted

499
00:24:24,919 --> 00:24:21,200
and also some of us who have been

500
00:24:30,840 --> 00:24:24,929
experiencers is an absolute feeling of

501
00:24:33,780 --> 00:24:30,850
animal terror when these beings have you

502
00:24:36,720 --> 00:24:33,790
paralyzed it's the best way I could put

503
00:24:38,850 --> 00:24:36,730
it from my experience but I've never to

504
00:24:42,300 --> 00:24:38,860
my knowledge been abducted but I have

505
00:24:45,210 --> 00:24:42,310
had experience and the terror was

506
00:24:50,070 --> 00:24:45,220
overwhelming and I believe the terror

507
00:24:52,740 --> 00:24:50,080
was overwhelming for for Travis Walton

508
00:24:54,030 --> 00:24:52,750
and for our other guests Terry Lovelace

509
00:24:57,420 --> 00:24:54,040
and do you have anything to say about

510
00:25:00,240 --> 00:24:57,430
that Kate no yeah but what always

511
00:25:02,070 --> 00:25:00,250
strikes me is like even with Betty and

512
00:25:04,860 --> 00:25:02,080
Barney Hill and they remember that tape

513
00:25:07,530 --> 00:25:04,870
we heard of New Hampshire yeah remember

514
00:25:11,250 --> 00:25:07,540
his voice terrified and I mean this is a

515
00:25:13,680 --> 00:25:11,260
strong man and he was terrified there's

516
00:25:15,600 --> 00:25:13,690
no other word for it and I read the

517
00:25:18,570 --> 00:25:15,610
interview at the Sheriff's Office with

518
00:25:20,880 --> 00:25:18,580
you captain and the sheriff was

519
00:25:23,160 --> 00:25:20,890
impressed by the fact that you know

520
00:25:27,030 --> 00:25:23,170
you're obviously a strong young guy and

521
00:25:29,010 --> 00:25:27,040
I'm sure not given to silly fears but he

522
00:25:31,590 --> 00:25:29,020
was very impressed by your amount of

523
00:25:33,090 --> 00:25:31,600
fear it's terrifying you know you're

524
00:25:34,740 --> 00:25:33,100
sitting there and these weird things

525
00:25:36,270 --> 00:25:34,750
come and they get you you don't know why

526
00:25:37,560 --> 00:25:36,280
or where and pulling they're come on

527
00:25:41,190 --> 00:25:37,570
that's scary

528
00:25:44,400 --> 00:25:41,200
it seems to be turning a different kind

529
00:25:46,620 --> 00:25:44,410
of Terror though it seems from my

530
00:25:48,720 --> 00:25:46,630
experience like a deep animal terror

531
00:25:51,000 --> 00:25:48,730
what do you have to say about that Terry

532
00:25:54,240 --> 00:25:51,010
Lovelace I'm glad you asked that

533
00:25:57,180 --> 00:25:54,250
question in my book I said that it had

534
00:25:59,160 --> 00:25:57,190
to be some kind of primal fear yeah you

535
00:26:04,110 --> 00:25:59,170
know hey deep in the brain brainstem

536
00:26:11,460 --> 00:26:04,120
something you know something action

537
00:26:13,410 --> 00:26:11,470
something in my life and nobody forgets

538
00:26:16,770 --> 00:26:13,420
it that's the other thing so Calvin

539
00:26:20,390 --> 00:26:16,780
yours was 1973 and I'm sure you could

540
00:26:23,400 --> 00:26:20,400
remember every detail today remember

541
00:26:25,920 --> 00:26:23,410
every detail I remember being scared

542
00:26:27,510 --> 00:26:25,930
just imagine if you're sitting in the

543
00:26:29,670 --> 00:26:27,520
living room of your house and somebody

544
00:26:31,350 --> 00:26:29,680
kicks the door down you're right it

545
00:26:33,870 --> 00:26:31,360
comes and gets you and takes you out

546
00:26:37,140 --> 00:26:33,880
though unicorn gives you an examination

547
00:26:39,030 --> 00:26:37,150
it is scary and this was even more

548
00:26:43,010 --> 00:26:39,040
scarier because there's nothing you can

549
00:26:44,590 --> 00:26:43,020
relate it to I had no idea what a

550
00:26:48,160 --> 00:26:44,600
abduction was

551
00:26:50,290 --> 00:26:48,170
or UFO or never even thought about life

552
00:26:52,560 --> 00:26:50,300
being on another planet up until that

553
00:26:55,450 --> 00:26:52,570
time now it's no doubt in my mind

554
00:26:57,250 --> 00:26:55,460
counting out it did you say that when

555
00:27:01,210 --> 00:26:57,260
they picked you up you thought suddenly

556
00:27:03,220 --> 00:27:01,220
felt calm I did and I feel like they

557
00:27:05,320 --> 00:27:03,230
didn't probably gave me an injection cuz

558
00:27:08,740 --> 00:27:05,330
when they was giving me the examination

559
00:27:12,730 --> 00:27:08,750
at the hospital they did find a mark on

560
00:27:15,430 --> 00:27:12,740
my arm and the harm that they picked

561
00:27:18,340 --> 00:27:15,440
grabbed hold and picked me up and that

562
00:27:20,410 --> 00:27:18,350
was amazing too because they did that

563
00:27:22,150 --> 00:27:20,420
and you figure to break your arm off or

564
00:27:25,570 --> 00:27:22,160
something when they did that I just just

565
00:27:29,800 --> 00:27:25,580
levitated you strict yeah I had that

566
00:27:31,450 --> 00:27:29,810
feeling of calm at one point but but

567
00:27:34,650 --> 00:27:31,460
eventually that left and it was just

568
00:27:37,540 --> 00:27:34,660
terror from that point on

569
00:27:42,160 --> 00:27:37,550
yeah I've lived with that for 45 years

570
00:27:44,860 --> 00:27:42,170
and what's more than anything is oh I

571
00:27:47,500 --> 00:27:44,870
didn't want to talk about it and I've

572
00:27:51,100 --> 00:27:47,510
just come to reality with it here this

573
00:27:53,320 --> 00:27:51,110
past few months but the press followed

574
00:27:55,870 --> 00:27:53,330
me around and they would get they would

575
00:27:57,430 --> 00:27:55,880
make up stories that I had said and I

576
00:27:59,500 --> 00:27:57,440
really didn't say nothing because I

577
00:28:01,690 --> 00:27:59,510
wouldn't talk to them so they would have

578
00:28:04,240 --> 00:28:01,700
to make up some stories to say that they

579
00:28:06,850 --> 00:28:04,250
got an interview and they never and not

580
00:28:09,070 --> 00:28:06,860
really that made me as mad as anything

581
00:28:11,560 --> 00:28:09,080
because you don't say something say the

582
00:28:14,770 --> 00:28:11,570
truth they don't matter how it is but

583
00:28:17,200 --> 00:28:14,780
just be honest about what you say so I

584
00:28:20,710 --> 00:28:17,210
finally came to reality with the whole

585
00:28:23,700 --> 00:28:20,720
thing we was all at a friend's wake one

586
00:28:27,220 --> 00:28:23,710
of my neighbors had passed away and I

587
00:28:29,350 --> 00:28:27,230
actually had met my wife was there I

588
00:28:31,480 --> 00:28:29,360
actually had to leave the wait because

589
00:28:33,430 --> 00:28:31,490
it was causing too much disturbance it

590
00:28:34,960 --> 00:28:33,440
was the people then you mean those

591
00:28:38,950 --> 00:28:34,970
wanting to take pictures and get our

592
00:28:40,720 --> 00:28:38,960
autographs and all and and I'd already

593
00:28:43,380 --> 00:28:40,730
know how they figured my name out

594
00:28:48,850 --> 00:28:43,390
knowing but this is a small town again

595
00:28:50,770 --> 00:28:48,860
so we left then when I left about that

596
00:28:53,170 --> 00:28:50,780
time Philip that contacted me about

597
00:28:54,700 --> 00:28:53,180
doing the bull and when they did I

598
00:28:58,300 --> 00:28:54,710
really didn't wanting to do a book at

599
00:29:00,460 --> 00:28:58,310
all and I I could still carry I'm glad

600
00:29:03,520 --> 00:29:00,470
I did now but I could have cared less

601
00:29:06,220 --> 00:29:03,530
about doing the book or anything else I

602
00:29:09,520 --> 00:29:06,230
just wanted to be left alone but between

603
00:29:13,750 --> 00:29:09,530
Philip and my wife and both of them

604
00:29:16,090 --> 00:29:13,760
encouraging it oh I was able to get out

605
00:29:18,340 --> 00:29:16,100
and do what I could on a bull can Philip

606
00:29:22,240 --> 00:29:18,350
was real good helping it together and my

607
00:29:25,800 --> 00:29:22,250
wife was so we got it all done and I

608
00:29:28,900 --> 00:29:25,810
feel better talking about it now yes

609
00:29:30,940 --> 00:29:28,910
yeah dude it's nothing like the light of

610
00:29:33,850 --> 00:29:30,950
day to take some of the fear away really

611
00:29:36,490 --> 00:29:33,860
and you know I think the fact that

612
00:29:38,230 --> 00:29:36,500
people begin to believe you and and it's

613
00:29:40,180 --> 00:29:38,240
certainly an unusual experience but

614
00:29:41,680 --> 00:29:40,190
don't make it even more unusual than it

615
00:29:43,950 --> 00:29:41,690
was helps a lot too

616
00:29:47,260 --> 00:29:43,960
yes and having people who have had

617
00:29:49,900 --> 00:29:47,270
similar experiences such as Terry who we

618
00:29:54,880 --> 00:29:49,910
have known and and and of course the

619
00:29:56,980 --> 00:29:54,890
great Travis Walton so what would you

620
00:30:01,180 --> 00:29:56,990
say your life was like I don't mean

621
00:30:03,130 --> 00:30:01,190
immediately before the incident but like

622
00:30:05,140 --> 00:30:03,140
what kind of a guy were you growing up

623
00:30:07,360 --> 00:30:05,150
what did you think about did you have

624
00:30:09,310 --> 00:30:07,370
any interest in the paranormal did you

625
00:30:14,260 --> 00:30:09,320
have other paranormal experiences

626
00:30:16,630 --> 00:30:14,270
earlier in your lifetime well in a way I

627
00:30:21,430 --> 00:30:16,640
did but I never took it as a paranormal

628
00:30:23,290 --> 00:30:21,440
experience we what it was brought up you

629
00:30:25,780 --> 00:30:23,300
know in a smaller house and my brother

630
00:30:28,690 --> 00:30:25,790
and I used to sleep together and he'd

631
00:30:31,600 --> 00:30:28,700
help me you know he called me peewee he

632
00:30:34,990 --> 00:30:31,610
said oh there's something that's always

633
00:30:38,110 --> 00:30:35,000
standing over there by you or one night

634
00:30:40,000 --> 00:30:38,120
I heard a blow in my ear he said there's

635
00:30:41,860 --> 00:30:40,010
a ghost blue in your he said I've seen

636
00:30:43,900 --> 00:30:41,870
it and I thought he was just crazy

637
00:30:46,480 --> 00:30:43,910
getting to them but I heard it when it

638
00:30:47,830 --> 00:30:46,490
happened and then just other little

639
00:30:50,590 --> 00:30:47,840
things but I never really thought about

640
00:30:52,300 --> 00:30:50,600
any of the paranormal anything but I

641
00:30:54,100 --> 00:30:52,310
think that had been going on home for a

642
00:30:58,930 --> 00:30:54,110
long time and I just didn't realize it

643
00:31:01,270 --> 00:30:58,940
and I got to a stage where you know I

644
00:31:04,270 --> 00:31:01,280
had to accept her they had to accept me

645
00:31:08,350 --> 00:31:04,280
but there's been other incidents and

646
00:31:10,760 --> 00:31:08,360
that they all in the book but all such

647
00:31:14,060 --> 00:31:10,770
as missing time

648
00:31:16,490 --> 00:31:14,070
I had a period of a lot of missing time

649
00:31:20,600 --> 00:31:16,500
when I was fishing and I was concerned

650
00:31:22,760 --> 00:31:20,610
about it so I wasn't concerned enough to

651
00:31:25,490 --> 00:31:22,770
talk to anybody I knew but I knew Budd

652
00:31:28,340 --> 00:31:25,500
Hopkins had wrote a book written a book

653
00:31:30,560 --> 00:31:28,350
or missing times and I told my wife I

654
00:31:33,920 --> 00:31:30,570
said I'm gonna go see both Hopkins I

655
00:31:37,730 --> 00:31:33,930
don't know him but I think he might see

656
00:31:39,710 --> 00:31:37,740
me so he was given a you're speaking on

657
00:31:42,620 --> 00:31:39,720
Edit lecture somewhere in West Palm

658
00:31:45,470 --> 00:31:42,630
Beach Florida we got on plane flew to

659
00:31:48,080 --> 00:31:45,480
West Palm Beach and bud was there but he

660
00:31:50,390 --> 00:31:48,090
knew my he knew of my name known in your

661
00:31:52,340 --> 00:31:50,400
the case so when he got through speaking

662
00:31:54,280 --> 00:31:52,350
I walked up and introduced myself he

663
00:31:58,280 --> 00:31:54,290
said I've been wanting to talk to you

664
00:32:01,370 --> 00:31:58,290
so I'd read to let bud hypnotize me and

665
00:32:03,890 --> 00:32:01,380
up and tell Phillip got a hold of the

666
00:32:05,960 --> 00:32:03,900
tapes you know bud had passed away yes

667
00:32:08,030 --> 00:32:05,970
and he kept tapes and records on

668
00:32:10,160 --> 00:32:08,040
everything I never even knew I was

669
00:32:13,010 --> 00:32:10,170
hypnotized I didn't know what was on the

670
00:32:14,690 --> 00:32:13,020
tapes I had no clue no idea matter of

671
00:32:18,530 --> 00:32:14,700
fact I didn't think I could be

672
00:32:23,000 --> 00:32:18,540
hypnotized but Phillip somehow got a

673
00:32:25,970 --> 00:32:23,010
hold of the tapes and it was amazing to

674
00:32:27,940 --> 00:32:25,980
me what was on there they were stuff and

675
00:32:31,220 --> 00:32:27,950
I think he had put a posthypnotic

676
00:32:33,740 --> 00:32:31,230
suggestion in my head that I would

677
00:32:36,230 --> 00:32:33,750
remember him as I could handle him and

678
00:32:38,090 --> 00:32:36,240
here lately you know the memories are

679
00:32:40,070 --> 00:32:38,100
starting to come back when I read

680
00:32:43,880 --> 00:32:40,080
through there then I remember I said

681
00:32:46,460 --> 00:32:43,890
well you know I remember that so it was

682
00:32:48,740 --> 00:32:46,470
it's really scary they even got a tag

683
00:32:51,320 --> 00:32:48,750
number off a car that was down when

684
00:32:54,530 --> 00:32:51,330
Charlie and I was abducted they got a

685
00:32:58,300 --> 00:32:54,540
tag number that I noticed on the car it

686
00:33:01,100 --> 00:32:58,310
was a couple dinner parking and I

687
00:33:04,250 --> 00:33:01,110
finally got ahold of people that had the

688
00:33:06,350 --> 00:33:04,260
car and this couple had got married and

689
00:33:08,030 --> 00:33:06,360
he passed away she's still alive she's

690
00:33:11,240 --> 00:33:08,040
pretty old right now

691
00:33:13,520 --> 00:33:11,250
and and she didn't want to talk about it

692
00:33:18,410 --> 00:33:13,530
but anyhow she remembered that night

693
00:33:21,530 --> 00:33:18,420
because of what happened she thought she

694
00:33:23,480 --> 00:33:21,540
did she remembered and they had left

695
00:33:25,060 --> 00:33:23,490
they got in that car and flew out of

696
00:33:28,870 --> 00:33:25,070
there

697
00:33:32,800 --> 00:33:28,880
and I don't blame them hey Calvin

698
00:33:34,990 --> 00:33:32,810
can I ask real quick question after this

699
00:33:38,710 --> 00:33:35,000
happened did you feel differently about

700
00:33:42,640 --> 00:33:38,720
Charlie did it affect your relationship

701
00:33:46,390 --> 00:33:42,650
with him in some way it did it affected

702
00:33:48,340 --> 00:33:46,400
in a big way on the air for a long time

703
00:33:49,120 --> 00:33:48,350
I thought Charlie's wanted broke it to

704
00:33:51,910 --> 00:33:49,130
the press

705
00:33:54,820 --> 00:33:51,920
matter of fact after this happened when

706
00:33:56,650 --> 00:33:54,830
we got through with our baton that case

707
00:33:59,980 --> 00:33:56,660
were in the hospital and doing what we

708
00:34:02,380 --> 00:33:59,990
needed to do I went on lived a different

709
00:34:05,200 --> 00:34:02,390
life I went back to my hometown of law

710
00:34:07,630 --> 00:34:05,210
Mississippi and Charlie stayed up here

711
00:34:09,399 --> 00:34:07,640
on the coast and I wouldn't call him or

712
00:34:12,790 --> 00:34:09,409
speak to him I'd speak to him every now

713
00:34:14,680 --> 00:34:12,800
and then but uh I felt like Charlie was

714
00:34:17,290 --> 00:34:14,690
out hunting publicity or something I

715
00:34:19,780 --> 00:34:17,300
didn't want you know mean but I think

716
00:34:23,580 --> 00:34:19,790
Charlie was just concerned and wanting

717
00:34:28,780 --> 00:34:23,590
to get the story out there what it was

718
00:34:30,909 --> 00:34:28,790
way now he he's passed away now and

719
00:34:33,790 --> 00:34:30,919
that's like I told somebody even in this

720
00:34:36,490 --> 00:34:33,800
book you know I don't care people

721
00:34:39,250 --> 00:34:36,500
believe it or not I know it happens so I

722
00:34:42,639 --> 00:34:39,260
don't have to believe it it definitely

723
00:34:45,159 --> 00:34:42,649
happened to me you know we took

724
00:34:48,399 --> 00:34:45,169
polygraph tests boys stress tests and

725
00:34:50,230 --> 00:34:48,409
everything else Charlie and I both Terry

726
00:34:54,250 --> 00:34:50,240
what made you ask that question had you

727
00:34:55,870 --> 00:34:54,260
an experience like that like changing

728
00:35:04,470 --> 00:34:55,880
your relationship with other people

729
00:35:08,140 --> 00:35:04,480
absolutely immediately after the event I

730
00:35:10,930 --> 00:35:08,150
looked at Tobias is what I call him in

731
00:35:14,020 --> 00:35:10,940
the book and I could feel it and I said

732
00:35:15,250 --> 00:35:14,030
my feelings for this guy changed and you

733
00:35:17,110 --> 00:35:15,260
know you would think just going through

734
00:35:19,300 --> 00:35:17,120
this thing we'd want to talk about it

735
00:35:21,370 --> 00:35:19,310
but there were hardly any words said

736
00:35:25,120 --> 00:35:21,380
between us in the six hours it took to

737
00:35:26,740 --> 00:35:25,130
get back to base and afterward I didn't

738
00:35:31,360 --> 00:35:26,750
want to see the guy I wanted nothing to

739
00:35:33,610 --> 00:35:31,370
do with him why was it I wonder I don't

740
00:35:35,740 --> 00:35:33,620
know as much we ordered we have no

741
00:35:37,430 --> 00:35:35,750
contact order I was ordered not to have

742
00:35:39,319 --> 00:35:37,440
any contact with him

743
00:35:42,650 --> 00:35:39,329
I guess I didn't want us putting our

744
00:35:45,200 --> 00:35:42,660
stories together and I did see him one

745
00:35:50,930 --> 00:35:45,210
last time and I went to his house and

746
00:35:54,260 --> 00:35:50,940
and I saw him and he was I was upset he

747
00:35:57,230 --> 00:35:54,270
was upset and it was real brief and all

748
00:35:58,609 --> 00:35:57,240
he had to say was it happened didn't it

749
00:36:04,309 --> 00:35:58,619
Terry

750
00:36:06,410 --> 00:36:04,319
and I said yeah when I turned around

751
00:36:09,890 --> 00:36:06,420
when I ran to the car there we got

752
00:36:12,020 --> 00:36:09,900
that's the last I saw I have two things

753
00:36:15,800 --> 00:36:12,030
to say about that the first thing is

754
00:36:18,829 --> 00:36:15,810
just in terms of Terry that was Kate on

755
00:36:21,380 --> 00:36:18,839
on the line and Kate wasn't here when we

756
00:36:24,680 --> 00:36:21,390
did your podcast she was unavailable

757
00:36:26,510 --> 00:36:24,690
that day and so that's why she didn't

758
00:36:29,690 --> 00:36:26,520
know exactly didn't remember didn't know

759
00:36:32,089 --> 00:36:29,700
exactly what you had said on the show

760
00:36:35,240 --> 00:36:32,099
when you when you and your book were on

761
00:36:38,180 --> 00:36:35,250
the second thing that I wanted to say is

762
00:36:40,819 --> 00:36:38,190
the following that although I was never

763
00:36:43,670 --> 00:36:40,829
to my knowledge abducted I was walking

764
00:36:47,000 --> 00:36:43,680
and one of my encounters in the woods in

765
00:36:49,069 --> 00:36:47,010
New Jersey and I was accompanied by

766
00:36:51,290 --> 00:36:49,079
other little kids I might have been 10

767
00:36:54,530 --> 00:36:51,300
or 11 at the time and that in that age

768
00:36:59,000 --> 00:36:54,540
range and I was walking in the woods and

769
00:37:03,650 --> 00:36:59,010
we came upon a house that was never

770
00:37:05,210 --> 00:37:03,660
there before it was a cottage and we had

771
00:37:06,680 --> 00:37:05,220
been in this part of the woods there

772
00:37:08,690 --> 00:37:06,690
were little trails around the lake

773
00:37:11,720 --> 00:37:08,700
community where I used to go in the

774
00:37:17,089 --> 00:37:11,730
summertime with my parents and this

775
00:37:19,640 --> 00:37:17,099
house never existed prior to this and we

776
00:37:22,040 --> 00:37:19,650
looked at it together and I kind of

777
00:37:24,349 --> 00:37:22,050
decided in my mind that it looked like

778
00:37:27,770 --> 00:37:24,359
the cottage from Hansel and Gretel and

779
00:37:29,480 --> 00:37:27,780
the only and there were at lace curtains

780
00:37:32,870 --> 00:37:29,490
in the windows which is something that I

781
00:37:36,170 --> 00:37:32,880
particularly remember and there had been

782
00:37:39,290 --> 00:37:36,180
some camp houses in the vicinity like

783
00:37:42,140 --> 00:37:39,300
where the Girl Guides used to go but

784
00:37:44,210 --> 00:37:42,150
they were a few like city blocks away

785
00:37:46,640 --> 00:37:44,220
they weren't right there generally

786
00:37:49,130 --> 00:37:46,650
speaking but there was no way because

787
00:37:51,000 --> 00:37:49,140
those were abandoned at that time there

788
00:37:54,270 --> 00:37:51,010
was no way that their order have been

789
00:37:59,100 --> 00:37:54,280
a cottage with lace curtains in the

790
00:38:00,420 --> 00:37:59,110
window and also no road leading up to it

791
00:38:02,370 --> 00:38:00,430
because if you're going to keep the

792
00:38:04,740 --> 00:38:02,380
house generally you're going to have to

793
00:38:07,230 --> 00:38:04,750
come in a car or at least a wagon there

794
00:38:10,770 --> 00:38:07,240
was no nothing leading up to it except

795
00:38:14,730 --> 00:38:10,780
the the path the forest path that we

796
00:38:17,100 --> 00:38:14,740
were on well simultaneously me and the

797
00:38:20,880 --> 00:38:17,110
two other kids that were with me we

798
00:38:23,580 --> 00:38:20,890
looked at this this house and we turned

799
00:38:25,440 --> 00:38:23,590
around on our heels and ran as fast as

800
00:38:27,570 --> 00:38:25,450
we could to get out of there because we

801
00:38:31,200 --> 00:38:27,580
knew intrinsically that there was

802
00:38:33,750 --> 00:38:31,210
something wrong with what we saw and I

803
00:38:36,750 --> 00:38:33,760
think that we passed a couple of words

804
00:38:39,110 --> 00:38:36,760
on the way back about how it looked like

805
00:38:42,390 --> 00:38:39,120
the cottage from Hansel and Gretel and

806
00:38:45,990 --> 00:38:42,400
that and then they never spoke of it

807
00:38:48,300 --> 00:38:46,000
again okay I know them but they never

808
00:38:51,210 --> 00:38:48,310
spoke of it again so I think that that

809
00:38:53,520 --> 00:38:51,220
was what what do you call that screen

810
00:38:55,230 --> 00:38:53,530
murmurs green memory exactly well Terry

811
00:39:00,450 --> 00:38:55,240
it's interesting you described it as

812
00:39:03,810 --> 00:39:00,460
primal fear and that type of fear is

813
00:39:07,020 --> 00:39:03,820
sort of basic underlying most psychology

814
00:39:09,840 --> 00:39:07,030
and I think if that blacks out

815
00:39:12,240 --> 00:39:09,850
everything else goes out too and that

816
00:39:14,160 --> 00:39:12,250
anything that causes it to come back up

817
00:39:16,800 --> 00:39:14,170
is really going to be terrible and

818
00:39:18,840 --> 00:39:16,810
that's probably why you guys don't talk

819
00:39:23,520 --> 00:39:18,850
to people that you shared this

820
00:39:26,580 --> 00:39:23,530
experience with that's well not a lot of

821
00:39:31,230 --> 00:39:26,590
people understand encounter students

822
00:39:33,660 --> 00:39:31,240
yeah Stan County we you know one thing

823
00:39:37,650 --> 00:39:33,670
y'all speaking of Betty Barney here huh

824
00:39:41,220 --> 00:39:37,660
I went to see Betty Hill I spent a few

825
00:39:44,310 --> 00:39:41,230
days out of her and during the time that

826
00:39:47,280 --> 00:39:44,320
I was deducted and had met her it wasn't

827
00:39:49,410 --> 00:39:47,290
too many people that had right yeah I'm

828
00:39:52,110 --> 00:39:49,420
sure it had been deducted but what too

829
00:39:53,910 --> 00:39:52,120
many people that was talking about it so

830
00:39:57,630 --> 00:39:53,920
we were able to establish a relationship

831
00:39:59,910 --> 00:39:57,640
and we sat down and even up until she

832
00:40:03,300 --> 00:39:59,920
died you know I would talk to her on the

833
00:40:04,800 --> 00:40:03,310
phone but she is so credible I mean she

834
00:40:07,380 --> 00:40:04,810
was just a sweet lovely

835
00:40:09,870 --> 00:40:07,390
person and I enjoyed my time with him

836
00:40:13,020 --> 00:40:09,880
and she drove me up in the mountains and

837
00:40:16,590 --> 00:40:13,030
showed me a place world she thought that

838
00:40:18,780 --> 00:40:16,600
she had been abducted and then oh there

839
00:40:21,090 --> 00:40:18,790
was craft still flying up and there

840
00:40:23,790 --> 00:40:21,100
there was something going on she saw

841
00:40:26,190 --> 00:40:23,800
quite a few things after that but you

842
00:40:28,380 --> 00:40:26,200
know you talk about fear a but Betty

843
00:40:30,600 --> 00:40:28,390
Hill actually got over her fear if you

844
00:40:31,910 --> 00:40:30,610
would call her story when she was

845
00:40:36,120 --> 00:40:31,920
leaving the craft she absolutely

846
00:40:38,760 --> 00:40:36,130
demanded a souvenir and one of the one

847
00:40:40,560 --> 00:40:38,770
of the aliens or whoever said oh okay

848
00:40:42,780 --> 00:40:40,570
because she was so insistent and then

849
00:40:44,670 --> 00:40:42,790
the commander or whatever said don't

850
00:40:48,300 --> 00:40:44,680
know you can't give her that and she

851
00:40:50,340 --> 00:40:48,310
insisted remember yes the map that's

852
00:40:52,890 --> 00:40:50,350
right the mist on the health rock that's

853
00:40:54,540 --> 00:40:52,900
right and then it was that insult yeah

854
00:40:56,520 --> 00:40:54,550
yeah why should I give us you don't know

855
00:40:59,160 --> 00:40:56,530
what you're looking at anyway so oh yeah

856
00:41:01,880 --> 00:40:59,170
but she was she was a very sweet lovely

857
00:41:05,820 --> 00:41:01,890
person but boy she was tough as nails

858
00:41:08,520 --> 00:41:05,830
well you know back in you had to be

859
00:41:10,860 --> 00:41:08,530
tough she was very a white woman married

860
00:41:14,100 --> 00:41:10,870
to a black man that that was a no-no

861
00:41:16,500 --> 00:41:14,110
right so oh you know that I know they

862
00:41:18,810 --> 00:41:16,510
took a lot of harsh punishment and the

863
00:41:20,340 --> 00:41:18,820
last thing they would do is want any

864
00:41:23,790 --> 00:41:20,350
publicity on herself

865
00:41:26,640 --> 00:41:23,800
correct correct yeah both lovely people

866
00:41:29,190 --> 00:41:26,650
indeed they were and how bet you know I

867
00:41:31,950 --> 00:41:29,200
wonder sometimes if whoever is doing

868
00:41:34,950 --> 00:41:31,960
this realizes how badly it affects

869
00:41:37,050 --> 00:41:34,960
people's lives I I'm sure your life both

870
00:41:40,800 --> 00:41:37,060
of you went off in somewhat of a

871
00:41:42,120 --> 00:41:40,810
different direction after the event it

872
00:41:47,040 --> 00:41:42,130
did

873
00:41:50,880 --> 00:41:47,050
I was a real very religious person when

874
00:41:53,760 --> 00:41:50,890
this happened on me very religious well

875
00:41:57,000 --> 00:41:53,770
after this I got real quiet and I pulled

876
00:42:00,180 --> 00:41:57,010
back to myself I never talked to my

877
00:42:02,700 --> 00:42:00,190
family or friends about it and a matter

878
00:42:03,750 --> 00:42:02,710
of fact I never talked to my wife or

879
00:42:07,680 --> 00:42:03,760
nobody about it

880
00:42:09,540 --> 00:42:07,690
the other day I had a friend say I told

881
00:42:11,600 --> 00:42:09,550
him I said you know I wrote a book you

882
00:42:14,910 --> 00:42:11,610
ought to go get you one enough sanicboys

883
00:42:17,670 --> 00:42:14,920
he said what did you you you didn't

884
00:42:17,950 --> 00:42:17,680
write the book there's yes yeah did he

885
00:42:19,720 --> 00:42:17,960
said

886
00:42:22,060 --> 00:42:19,730
well you know you've lied to me about a

887
00:42:25,960 --> 00:42:22,070
lot of stuff Calvin but I've never heard

888
00:42:29,290 --> 00:42:25,970
you tell nothing about this about being

889
00:42:31,240 --> 00:42:29,300
abducted or anything he said I believe

890
00:42:34,660 --> 00:42:31,250
it's really something to that I said

891
00:42:38,070 --> 00:42:34,670
well it is so I'm ready to hit you twin

892
00:42:40,839 --> 00:42:38,080
eyes or two before and get you attention

893
00:42:43,030 --> 00:42:40,849
it's the same experience I published the

894
00:42:46,510 --> 00:42:43,040
book and I had told no one it was a

895
00:42:48,670 --> 00:42:46,520
secret my wife and I share we didn't we

896
00:42:51,370 --> 00:42:48,680
didn't tell our adult children they all

897
00:42:53,609 --> 00:42:51,380
they knew is that you know every once or

898
00:43:00,400 --> 00:42:53,619
twice a year dad would wake up screaming

899
00:43:03,160 --> 00:43:00,410
but hold your children Arden

900
00:43:04,839 --> 00:43:03,170
why didn't you tell your children I mean

901
00:43:07,839 --> 00:43:04,849
you're dull children obviously wouldn't

902
00:43:12,609 --> 00:43:07,849
tell the Jocelyn it felt like a secret I

903
00:43:14,320 --> 00:43:12,619
mean I had overcome that thought I felt

904
00:43:17,710 --> 00:43:14,330
like when I was writing this book like I

905
00:43:19,990 --> 00:43:17,720
was giving away some family secret or

906
00:43:22,900 --> 00:43:20,000
something it was I felt like I wasn't

907
00:43:26,320 --> 00:43:22,910
supposed to tell that's a very strong

908
00:43:28,359 --> 00:43:26,330
emotion for me to not tell anyone I

909
00:43:30,070 --> 00:43:28,369
intended to take it to my grave and if

910
00:43:33,310 --> 00:43:30,080
they hadn't found these things in my leg

911
00:43:36,820 --> 00:43:33,320
in 2012 that I probably most probably

912
00:43:39,130 --> 00:43:36,830
would have if it had not been for

913
00:43:41,770 --> 00:43:39,140
Phillip in my wife it would have went to

914
00:43:43,750 --> 00:43:41,780
my grave with me the whole thing like I

915
00:43:45,190 --> 00:43:43,760
say I would just tell everybody what

916
00:43:50,530 --> 00:43:45,200
they wanted to hear to get it off my

917
00:43:52,240 --> 00:43:50,540
back and I never talked to my children

918
00:43:53,920 --> 00:43:52,250
about it then you about it because

919
00:43:56,710 --> 00:43:53,930
somebody said oh your daddy's the one

920
00:43:58,120 --> 00:43:56,720
that got abducted and also you know

921
00:44:01,000 --> 00:43:58,130
that's the way that you and I should

922
00:44:02,380 --> 00:44:01,010
have sat down and explained it to him I

923
00:44:05,079 --> 00:44:02,390
should have said that one with my whole

924
00:44:07,599 --> 00:44:05,089
family and explained it to them and I've

925
00:44:10,060 --> 00:44:07,609
got friends that if this last year that

926
00:44:12,609 --> 00:44:10,070
you know we've just opened up started

927
00:44:15,760 --> 00:44:12,619
talking about it when I started doing

928
00:44:18,339 --> 00:44:15,770
the book and I gotta give Phillip credit

929
00:44:19,960 --> 00:44:18,349
for that he's you know he's the one

930
00:44:22,690 --> 00:44:19,970
that's got me talking about it and I

931
00:44:25,750 --> 00:44:22,700
feel a lot better doing it yes and we

932
00:44:28,450 --> 00:44:25,760
thank Phillip as well for putting us in

933
00:44:31,680 --> 00:44:28,460
touch with you Terry do you have some

934
00:44:34,770 --> 00:44:31,690
specific questions for Calvin that

935
00:44:37,079 --> 00:44:34,780
you have wanted to ask just a couple

936
00:44:39,089 --> 00:44:37,089
kind of odd questions did you wear a

937
00:44:43,040 --> 00:44:39,099
wristwatch did you have trouble with

938
00:44:46,740 --> 00:44:43,050
your wrist watches not working I I

939
00:44:48,900 --> 00:44:46,750
didn't have a watch okay

940
00:44:52,170 --> 00:44:48,910
charlie didn't have one either cuz

941
00:44:54,240 --> 00:44:52,180
that's the reason we stopped it a place

942
00:44:56,130 --> 00:44:54,250
you try to say what time it was and we

943
00:44:58,740 --> 00:44:56,140
had no clue what time it was

944
00:45:00,390 --> 00:44:58,750
then back end it wasn't cellphones so

945
00:45:02,760 --> 00:45:00,400
you couldn't open it up look and see

946
00:45:06,089 --> 00:45:02,770
what time it was did you have night

947
00:45:09,450 --> 00:45:06,099
meters on a regular basis not on a

948
00:45:12,569 --> 00:45:09,460
regular basis right after happen oh I

949
00:45:15,089 --> 00:45:12,579
went through I guess what you would call

950
00:45:19,319 --> 00:45:15,099
a hanger mode where I was just so angry

951
00:45:21,900 --> 00:45:19,329
about it because I hated something being

952
00:45:23,069 --> 00:45:21,910
able to you know just come in and take

953
00:45:27,960 --> 00:45:23,079
you against your will

954
00:45:29,849 --> 00:45:27,970
and do something I know right and I went

955
00:45:32,220 --> 00:45:29,859
through a lot of anger problems about

956
00:45:35,190 --> 00:45:32,230
that but I didn't have a lot of

957
00:45:37,500 --> 00:45:35,200
nightmares but a few I did and I

958
00:45:40,050 --> 00:45:37,510
remember at the shipyard the next day

959
00:45:42,510 --> 00:45:40,060
after this some of the guys at the

960
00:45:45,120 --> 00:45:42,520
shipyard they was so upset about it

961
00:45:47,370 --> 00:45:45,130
they all had boats and they were all big

962
00:45:49,680 --> 00:45:47,380
deer hunters and they all loaded up and

963
00:45:52,620 --> 00:45:49,690
though they come ask me you want to go

964
00:45:54,120 --> 00:45:52,630
hunting them tonight I said hell no I'm

965
00:45:55,920 --> 00:45:54,130
not going on oh because they're

966
00:45:57,569 --> 00:45:55,930
destroying you in a minute you'll be

967
00:46:01,140 --> 00:45:57,579
shooting at them I said why don't you

968
00:46:04,290 --> 00:46:01,150
want to do that anyhow so they went I

969
00:46:07,460 --> 00:46:04,300
want to call alien hunting out there and

970
00:46:17,790 --> 00:46:07,470
I didn't go with them wasn't about to

971
00:46:20,220 --> 00:46:17,800
they but be glad they didn't see you I

972
00:46:23,700 --> 00:46:20,230
started carrying a handgun after my

973
00:46:27,630 --> 00:46:23,710
experience and and I do to this day and

974
00:46:30,210 --> 00:46:27,640
I feel much more safe with it I would

975
00:46:31,800 --> 00:46:30,220
wait do you think it would work I mean

976
00:46:34,710 --> 00:46:31,810
or do you think they just sort of make

977
00:46:38,609 --> 00:46:34,720
you unconscious in I'm sure that they

978
00:46:41,730 --> 00:46:38,619
could overcome me but it just makes me

979
00:46:45,240 --> 00:46:41,740
feel more secure I can understand that I

980
00:46:47,040 --> 00:46:45,250
don't know I don't carry any kind of way

981
00:46:49,470 --> 00:46:47,050
since I have them here home for

982
00:46:52,290 --> 00:46:49,480
protection of my family but as far as

983
00:46:54,240 --> 00:46:52,300
for protection and me I get on the boat

984
00:46:57,720 --> 00:46:54,250
sometime at night and I go out fishing

985
00:46:59,550 --> 00:46:57,730
and go right by staff and I'm fine with

986
00:47:02,190 --> 00:46:59,560
that mama said you're not afraid to go

987
00:47:06,839 --> 00:47:02,200
and get you if they won't kiss nothing

988
00:47:09,359 --> 00:47:06,849
you gonna do about it so yeah you know I

989
00:47:11,210 --> 00:47:09,369
have a parent there's just not enough

990
00:47:14,790 --> 00:47:11,220
money in the world to make me take

991
00:47:17,820 --> 00:47:14,800
myself in a boat at night after an

992
00:47:20,270 --> 00:47:17,830
experience like yours oh I just wanna

993
00:47:22,890 --> 00:47:20,280
have to other night I had a blast I mean

994
00:47:24,599 --> 00:47:22,900
you know what I like about it you get

995
00:47:26,849 --> 00:47:24,609
out there you're sitting there by

996
00:47:29,940 --> 00:47:26,859
yourself it's quiet and the moon was out

997
00:47:32,130 --> 00:47:29,950
full it was the died of them that man

998
00:47:33,839 --> 00:47:32,140
was supposed to do something and you

999
00:47:37,410 --> 00:47:33,849
said they're looking how beautiful it is

1000
00:47:41,040 --> 00:47:37,420
and just listening and we live in an

1001
00:47:44,760 --> 00:47:41,050
area is a swamp area it's nothing but

1002
00:47:46,770 --> 00:47:44,770
swamps all to left you got the Gulf and

1003
00:47:48,839 --> 00:47:46,780
to the right you got your marshland and

1004
00:47:51,960 --> 00:47:48,849
the woods and the swamp and it's the

1005
00:47:54,690 --> 00:47:51,970
only unchanged River in the world in the

1006
00:47:57,390 --> 00:47:54,700
United States that had been it's

1007
00:47:59,490 --> 00:47:57,400
beautiful people don't realize how nice

1008
00:48:02,550 --> 00:47:59,500
it is then here until you go out on it

1009
00:48:04,200 --> 00:48:02,560
they do these eco tours where they take

1010
00:48:09,030 --> 00:48:04,210
you out let you see the wildlife the

1011
00:48:11,460 --> 00:48:09,040
alligators the deer the Coons and we my

1012
00:48:13,500 --> 00:48:11,470
wife and I actually had a bear fall on

1013
00:48:17,490 --> 00:48:13,510
the boat fall out of a tree and hit her

1014
00:48:20,130 --> 00:48:17,500
boat you know now that was security - I

1015
00:48:20,849 --> 00:48:20,140
thought maybe there might be something

1016
00:48:24,329 --> 00:48:20,859
to that

1017
00:48:26,310 --> 00:48:24,339
but it was a bear well it sounds like a

1018
00:48:28,500 --> 00:48:26,320
beautiful environment to be in

1019
00:48:30,630 --> 00:48:28,510
I would need some insect repellent but

1020
00:48:34,620 --> 00:48:30,640
it sounds like quite a beautiful

1021
00:48:37,320 --> 00:48:34,630
environment I lived for a year in Baton

1022
00:48:39,690 --> 00:48:37,330
Rouge and and I kind of get the picture

1023
00:48:41,400 --> 00:48:39,700
oh I love it

1024
00:48:43,920 --> 00:48:41,410
we have unit in the Baton Rouge you know

1025
00:48:46,500 --> 00:48:43,930
how the humidity to use the bugs are the

1026
00:48:49,079 --> 00:48:46,510
people you got some of the best people

1027
00:48:51,839 --> 00:48:49,089
in the world who down here on me they

1028
00:48:54,180 --> 00:48:51,849
all their fight between themselves some

1029
00:48:56,490 --> 00:48:54,190
time but I sliced a group of friends I

1030
00:48:58,740 --> 00:48:56,500
don't have many friends but the ones I

1031
00:49:00,990 --> 00:48:58,750
do have you got

1032
00:49:05,820 --> 00:49:01,000
picked up a phone say I need you there

1033
00:49:08,940 --> 00:49:05,830
be here I flooded last year year before

1034
00:49:10,920 --> 00:49:08,950
last the house flooded and we didn't

1035
00:49:12,589 --> 00:49:10,930
have insurance at the time I didn't have

1036
00:49:15,570 --> 00:49:12,599
the flood insurance hadn't kicked in

1037
00:49:17,460 --> 00:49:15,580
they all chipped together one of them

1038
00:49:20,070 --> 00:49:17,470
brought the floor another one bout the

1039
00:49:22,230 --> 00:49:20,080
labor and everybody come and they had

1040
00:49:24,420 --> 00:49:22,240
our floors and all put in the dry walls

1041
00:49:29,640 --> 00:49:24,430
and stuff city that's just the kind of

1042
00:49:31,290 --> 00:49:29,650
people that is down here they do and

1043
00:49:34,440 --> 00:49:31,300
there's nothing I wouldn't do for them

1044
00:49:37,730 --> 00:49:34,450
or they wouldn't did for us and when I

1045
00:49:42,690 --> 00:49:37,740
say as I talk about my family

1046
00:49:44,820 --> 00:49:42,700
so just to to ask a couple of more

1047
00:49:48,320 --> 00:49:44,830
questions because it comes to my mind

1048
00:49:51,030 --> 00:49:48,330
could you describe the the robot type

1049
00:49:53,970 --> 00:49:51,040
character that you saw I was just

1050
00:49:57,950 --> 00:49:53,980
floating above the ground or the water

1051
00:50:02,339 --> 00:49:57,960
and what that creature looked like I

1052
00:50:05,160 --> 00:50:02,349
could know he was here he had gray

1053
00:50:07,950 --> 00:50:05,170
wrinkled skin his facial features

1054
00:50:09,930 --> 00:50:07,960
Charlie says he seen no seen her face

1055
00:50:12,240 --> 00:50:09,940
and they was little objects you know

1056
00:50:14,130 --> 00:50:12,250
kind of like ears and stuff but I didn't

1057
00:50:17,760 --> 00:50:14,140
see none of that that was kind of a blur

1058
00:50:20,099 --> 00:50:17,770
to me his legs you could tell it looked

1059
00:50:22,710 --> 00:50:20,109
kind of like legs in a way but they

1060
00:50:27,359 --> 00:50:22,720
wasn't separate they was all together no

1061
00:50:31,470 --> 00:50:27,369
feet his hands was like Oh mittens on

1062
00:50:35,240 --> 00:50:31,480
gloves or claws or something but he was

1063
00:50:39,510 --> 00:50:35,250
a real scary looking thing now video

1064
00:50:41,520 --> 00:50:39,520
other one was really you know not so

1065
00:50:44,010 --> 00:50:41,530
scary and I couldn't believe I could see

1066
00:50:49,260 --> 00:50:44,020
them talk to you for a while and

1067
00:50:51,870 --> 00:50:49,270
probably have but the gray wrinkled skin

1068
00:50:55,880 --> 00:50:51,880
and stuff I believe I believe this one

1069
00:51:01,200 --> 00:50:55,890
was more of a yo soldier than anything

1070
00:51:05,940 --> 00:51:01,210
well I recall in in Terry's account that

1071
00:51:08,060 --> 00:51:05,950
there was a female hybrid that visited

1072
00:51:10,920 --> 00:51:08,070
Terry several times after his abduction

1073
00:51:11,920 --> 00:51:10,930
experience and maybe you two guys want

1074
00:51:14,250 --> 00:51:11,930
to throw the

1075
00:51:19,390 --> 00:51:14,260
back and forth a little bit because

1076
00:51:22,840 --> 00:51:19,400
Calvin had mentioned that the being that

1077
00:51:26,230 --> 00:51:22,850
he saw in the room where he was examined

1078
00:51:30,910 --> 00:51:26,240
was seemingly somewhat female but not

1079
00:51:32,500 --> 00:51:30,920
really female and he didn't go in much

1080
00:51:34,750 --> 00:51:32,510
further into that so maybe you guys

1081
00:51:39,460 --> 00:51:34,760
could throw that back and forth for a

1082
00:51:43,150 --> 00:51:39,470
few minutes I'll just say that I'll call

1083
00:51:45,370 --> 00:51:43,160
her a woman the woman I see it's about 4

1084
00:51:48,550 --> 00:51:45,380
foot 2 inches taller so just a tad over

1085
00:51:55,210 --> 00:51:48,560
4 foot tall and she looks like an Asian

1086
00:51:57,400 --> 00:51:55,220
woman and when I was young I think I was

1087
00:52:01,540 --> 00:51:57,410
abducted by her I know I was abducted by

1088
00:52:03,310 --> 00:52:01,550
her and I referred to her as sue there

1089
00:52:06,190 --> 00:52:03,320
was an elderly Asian woman in our

1090
00:52:10,990 --> 00:52:06,200
neighborhood named sue trout I

1091
00:52:16,120 --> 00:52:11,000
I called her sue but then later in life

1092
00:52:20,940 --> 00:52:16,130
though I I met her again and she talked

1093
00:52:25,720 --> 00:52:20,950
to me not verbally but with her mind and

1094
00:52:28,570 --> 00:52:25,730
he would send me a sentence and I would

1095
00:52:32,110 --> 00:52:28,580
respond and she would respond before I

1096
00:52:38,860 --> 00:52:32,120
had my sent was finished I don't know if

1097
00:52:41,920 --> 00:52:38,870
you yeah my window but Hopkins

1098
00:52:45,820 --> 00:52:41,930
hypnotized me this is where most of mine

1099
00:52:50,710 --> 00:52:45,830
came out if it was definitely a female

1100
00:52:52,930 --> 00:52:50,720
and but she wasn't real nice I mean it

1101
00:52:55,630 --> 00:52:52,940
was more or less like torture during

1102
00:52:58,180 --> 00:52:55,640
that one time matter of fact I get to

1103
00:52:58,600 --> 00:52:58,190
this part of the book and if you get the

1104
00:53:01,030 --> 00:52:58,610
book

1105
00:53:03,190 --> 00:53:01,040
just kind of when you read it make sure

1106
00:53:05,530 --> 00:53:03,200
you go through the hypnosis will bug

1107
00:53:09,550 --> 00:53:05,540
because it's a lot of information in

1108
00:53:11,980 --> 00:53:09,560
that and it tells about the way that she

1109
00:53:14,050 --> 00:53:11,990
examined and pulled you apart but

1110
00:53:16,330 --> 00:53:14,060
testing on the craft I think you could

1111
00:53:19,810 --> 00:53:16,340
call her more or less like a hybrid you

1112
00:53:21,460 --> 00:53:19,820
know I believe that a kind of half half

1113
00:53:24,220 --> 00:53:21,470
it might have been a mixed breed of

1114
00:53:24,990 --> 00:53:24,230
human and heard through the years or

1115
00:53:29,190 --> 00:53:25,000
something

1116
00:53:33,540 --> 00:53:29,200
that's it what mysterious woman told me

1117
00:53:35,250 --> 00:53:33,550
she was happy hybrid and half alien and

1118
00:53:37,910 --> 00:53:35,260
I believe that I believe that they

1119
00:53:41,160 --> 00:53:37,920
happen now I've also heard of all

1120
00:53:44,640 --> 00:53:41,170
Balkans and I actually been a walk-in

1121
00:53:47,130 --> 00:53:44,650
one time in know that that was kind of

1122
00:53:50,190 --> 00:53:47,140
scary because they tell me that they

1123
00:53:52,140 --> 00:53:50,200
have to give permission for them to come

1124
00:53:55,170 --> 00:53:52,150
into the body and use it to get that

1125
00:53:57,870 --> 00:53:55,180
hearing little blue and I believe that

1126
00:53:59,520 --> 00:53:57,880
there's walk-ins around right now how

1127
00:54:01,740 --> 00:53:59,530
did they identify themselves as a

1128
00:54:05,730 --> 00:54:01,750
walk-in or how did you know suspect they

1129
00:54:08,280 --> 00:54:05,740
were walking well it was just stopped

1130
00:54:11,750 --> 00:54:08,290
him about it woman when I got up and I

1131
00:54:15,720 --> 00:54:11,760
started staring it was the lady and I

1132
00:54:17,910 --> 00:54:15,730
never met her before my life and I got

1133
00:54:21,270 --> 00:54:17,920
up and I kind of felt uncomfortable a

1134
00:54:23,400 --> 00:54:21,280
little bit around her and she looked at

1135
00:54:25,710 --> 00:54:23,410
me she said you do know and she had no

1136
00:54:27,420 --> 00:54:25,720
idea who I was you didn't know that I'm

1137
00:54:29,400 --> 00:54:27,430
a walk-in don't you

1138
00:54:31,200 --> 00:54:29,410
I said no what the hell is a walk-in

1139
00:54:36,270 --> 00:54:31,210
that was the first time I ever heard

1140
00:54:39,050 --> 00:54:36,280
about it and she told me a little bit

1141
00:54:41,609 --> 00:54:39,060
bit about it and how she had gave off

1142
00:54:46,560 --> 00:54:41,619
permission from him and use her body so

1143
00:54:49,770 --> 00:54:46,570
that she could study and I didn't I had

1144
00:54:52,800 --> 00:54:49,780
no idea if she was or not but it shot

1145
00:54:56,089 --> 00:54:52,810
felt like she was this is quite

1146
00:54:59,670 --> 00:54:56,099
fascinating in light of the fact that

1147
00:55:02,730 --> 00:54:59,680
the question that was posed to Travis

1148
00:55:05,310 --> 00:55:02,740
Walton at the MUFON symposium by the

1149
00:55:09,599 --> 00:55:05,320
gentleman and he just said yes about

1150
00:55:11,820 --> 00:55:09,609
have you ever met in a public context

1151
00:55:16,020 --> 00:55:11,830
someone that you felt was not truly

1152
00:55:20,670 --> 00:55:16,030
human and so it to me this is a very

1153
00:55:23,220 --> 00:55:20,680
fascinating line of inquiry to go

1154
00:55:26,400 --> 00:55:23,230
forward with in another thing that I'm

1155
00:55:31,260 --> 00:55:26,410
sort of won a point out here is that

1156
00:55:34,099 --> 00:55:31,270
although Bill and Kate and myself are

1157
00:55:36,020 --> 00:55:34,109
all experiences and not knowing

1158
00:55:39,860 --> 00:55:36,030
abductees

1159
00:55:46,310 --> 00:55:39,870
it is kind of unusual that we didn't

1160
00:55:48,590 --> 00:55:46,320
really seek out doing this type of a

1161
00:55:50,270 --> 00:55:48,600
show in other words we weren't focused

1162
00:55:52,670 --> 00:55:50,280
on abductees we weren't against that

1163
00:55:55,840 --> 00:55:52,680
bhakti certainly but we didn't focus on

1164
00:55:58,340 --> 00:55:55,850
it and they just kept coming at us like

1165
00:56:00,560 --> 00:55:58,350
boo her I'm trying to think of his first

1166
00:56:04,180 --> 00:56:00,570
name a David Bowie who wrote the the

1167
00:56:07,070 --> 00:56:04,190
book about the other military abductee

1168
00:56:11,660 --> 00:56:07,080
and then I hear from Terry and then I

1169
00:56:15,470 --> 00:56:11,670
hear from you Calvin through Philip and

1170
00:56:18,260 --> 00:56:15,480
it just seems to be that these things

1171
00:56:21,830 --> 00:56:18,270
are coming to us and so I feel obligated

1172
00:56:24,380 --> 00:56:21,840
to move forward with it and I do find it

1173
00:56:27,140 --> 00:56:24,390
very interesting if not terrifying

1174
00:56:29,660 --> 00:56:27,150
having been you know rather an

1175
00:56:31,550 --> 00:56:29,670
experience or myself that Tara is still

1176
00:56:33,950 --> 00:56:31,560
somewhere hidden in the back of my

1177
00:56:36,080 --> 00:56:33,960
reptilian mind that reptilian part of

1178
00:56:43,670 --> 00:56:36,090
the brain I mean I'm not a reptilian

1179
00:56:46,280 --> 00:56:43,680
thank you don't need somebody to

1180
00:56:48,950 --> 00:56:46,290
communicate with them and they copy

1181
00:56:51,230 --> 00:56:48,960
people like y'all are gonna be the ones

1182
00:56:53,960 --> 00:56:51,240
to do that and I feel like that they

1183
00:56:56,030 --> 00:56:53,970
watching that now and that uh one day

1184
00:56:57,830 --> 00:56:56,040
you're gonna be like a spokesman to them

1185
00:56:59,930 --> 00:56:57,840
because it would secure the general

1186
00:57:03,440 --> 00:56:59,940
public if they just came out in force

1187
00:57:05,540 --> 00:57:03,450
right now looking off in Wales during a

1188
00:57:08,750 --> 00:57:05,550
radio show and it was just faking here

1189
00:57:11,270 --> 00:57:08,760
yet maybe I mean people went crazy so

1190
00:57:13,790 --> 00:57:11,280
thankful they know that they need

1191
00:57:16,460 --> 00:57:13,800
somebody to speak for them and they they

1192
00:57:19,040 --> 00:57:16,470
training people now and I feel like it

1193
00:57:23,900 --> 00:57:19,050
it's walk-ins or people hybrid surround

1194
00:57:25,730 --> 00:57:23,910
that is in this training process and I

1195
00:57:28,220 --> 00:57:25,740
think y'all might be an important part

1196
00:57:30,200 --> 00:57:28,230
of that before it's over well yeah the

1197
00:57:32,000 --> 00:57:30,210
other thing that's interesting on foucha

1198
00:57:35,060 --> 00:57:32,010
brought it up is like both of you were

1199
00:57:37,730 --> 00:57:35,070
around military bases do you think there

1200
00:57:43,220 --> 00:57:37,740
was any sort of undercover work there

1201
00:57:47,780 --> 00:57:43,230
from the military I don't know it's hard

1202
00:57:49,370 --> 00:57:47,790
to say about the military during the

1203
00:57:51,350 --> 00:57:49,380
time that I was abducted

1204
00:57:53,750 --> 00:57:51,360
had more problems to worry about you

1205
00:57:57,560 --> 00:57:53,760
know Vietnam was just winding down and

1206
00:58:01,070 --> 00:57:57,570
stuff in dr. panic you know hate when it

1207
00:58:02,870 --> 00:58:01,080
came to hypnotize being harder I tried

1208
00:58:07,040 --> 00:58:02,880
to talk to him a little bit but it was

1209
00:58:08,960 --> 00:58:07,050
so many people around that it was hard

1210
00:58:10,820 --> 00:58:08,970
to carry on a conversation with him I

1211
00:58:11,660 --> 00:58:10,830
would love to got into some of his Case

1212
00:58:15,230 --> 00:58:11,670
Files

1213
00:58:17,600 --> 00:58:15,240
see what he was doing most of my

1214
00:58:19,880 --> 00:58:17,610
experiences not all but most of them

1215
00:58:24,230 --> 00:58:19,890
happened in the vicinity of the

1216
00:58:25,790 --> 00:58:24,240
Picatinny Arsenal in North Jersey well

1217
00:58:27,530 --> 00:58:25,800
there may be a whole division in the

1218
00:58:29,960 --> 00:58:27,540
military because as soon as you get

1219
00:58:32,000 --> 00:58:29,970
reports of these crashes bump out of

1220
00:58:34,280 --> 00:58:32,010
nowhere you have this division that

1221
00:58:36,860 --> 00:58:34,290
comes along covers it up takes it away

1222
00:58:38,480 --> 00:58:36,870
bring back bone the been in black and

1223
00:58:41,300 --> 00:58:38,490
then there's the real men in black and

1224
00:58:45,590 --> 00:58:41,310
they they are kind of indistinguishable

1225
00:58:51,320 --> 00:58:45,600
to most people but as we know from some

1226
00:58:54,950 --> 00:58:51,330
of the former contactees that the men in

1227
00:58:58,730 --> 00:58:54,960
black some of them have anachronistic

1228
00:59:00,710 --> 00:58:58,740
features and physically they're not

1229
00:59:02,600 --> 00:59:00,720
quite right like their ears aren't quite

1230
00:59:04,880 --> 00:59:02,610
like too many years where their fingers

1231
00:59:06,830 --> 00:59:04,890
look funnier and and they they don't

1232
00:59:10,340 --> 00:59:06,840
understand how to eat jello and stuff

1233
00:59:11,900 --> 00:59:10,350
like that so it's real life but but I

1234
00:59:13,820 --> 00:59:11,910
agree with you Calvin it seems like

1235
00:59:15,560 --> 00:59:13,830
certainly the military it has a lot more

1236
00:59:17,540 --> 00:59:15,570
on its plate than that

1237
00:59:21,950 --> 00:59:17,550
and you wonder why they would even do

1238
00:59:23,510 --> 00:59:21,960
something like that how about you Terry

1239
00:59:26,000 --> 00:59:23,520
I mean did you ever have any feeling

1240
00:59:29,120 --> 00:59:26,010
that it was like possibly military

1241
00:59:31,640 --> 00:59:29,130
government something of that nature what

1242
00:59:34,100 --> 00:59:31,650
I saw was not I was in the Air Force at

1243
00:59:38,240 --> 00:59:34,110
the time what I saw was absolutely

1244
00:59:41,420 --> 00:59:38,250
nothing there's no way I mean this thing

1245
00:59:44,930 --> 00:59:41,430
was so big it was a city block long on

1246
00:59:46,550 --> 00:59:44,940
each side and stories high and then sat

1247
00:59:49,460 --> 00:59:46,560
30 feet above the ground

1248
00:59:51,790 --> 00:59:49,470
and it's just no way I do know this that

1249
00:59:54,470 --> 00:59:51,800
the Air Force was extremely interested

1250
00:59:59,530 --> 00:59:54,480
find out if I had taken photographs of

1251
01:00:02,300 --> 00:59:59,540
because I didn't amateur photographers

1252
01:00:02,779 --> 01:00:02,310
they wanted to make sure I didn't have

1253
01:00:08,509 --> 01:00:02,789
any

1254
01:00:11,809 --> 01:00:08,519
seven why don't you mention your name of

1255
01:00:15,559 --> 01:00:11,819
your book again first Calvin and then

1256
01:00:19,279 --> 01:00:15,569
Terry how's that okay

1257
01:00:22,640 --> 01:00:19,289
the pass pagoda the closest encounter my

1258
01:00:24,009 --> 01:00:22,650
story Calvin Parker and you get it

1259
01:00:27,589 --> 01:00:24,019
through Amazon

1260
01:00:31,749 --> 01:00:27,599
go ahead Terry my book is also through

1261
01:00:35,120 --> 01:00:31,759
Amazon and its incident at Devil's Den

1262
01:00:37,779 --> 01:00:35,130
Devil's Den is the state park we went

1263
01:00:41,709 --> 01:00:37,789
camping when we were abducted so it's

1264
01:00:46,519 --> 01:00:41,719
ten that's northern Arkansas correct yes

1265
01:00:48,439 --> 01:00:46,529
northwestern Arkansas alrighty so um do

1266
01:00:49,759 --> 01:00:48,449
do you have any more questions Kate that

1267
01:00:52,039 --> 01:00:49,769
you want to ask right now because we're

1268
01:00:53,719 --> 01:00:52,049
coming on the six o'clock hour here are

1269
01:00:56,539 --> 01:00:53,729
we really oh I could talk to these two

1270
01:00:59,089 --> 01:00:56,549
fellows forever no no I could too and

1271
01:01:01,400 --> 01:00:59,099
and I'm sure well we want to thank both

1272
01:01:03,620 --> 01:01:01,410
of you for for being such wonderful

1273
01:01:07,519 --> 01:01:03,630
guests for us today do you have anything

1274
01:01:09,890 --> 01:01:07,529
you want to add Calvin I believe that's

1275
01:01:12,699 --> 01:01:09,900
pretty much it and I'll be happy to come

1276
01:01:15,140 --> 01:01:12,709
back any time just let me fill up one no

1277
01:01:18,949 --> 01:01:15,150
absolutely or not we'd like I'm really

1278
01:01:23,209 --> 01:01:18,959
thank y'all for having me thank you and

1279
01:01:25,359 --> 01:01:23,219
Kelly I'd like to say I understand and

1280
01:01:29,059 --> 01:01:25,369
I'm glad you have had the courage to

1281
01:01:32,630 --> 01:01:29,069
write the book and do this so I think

1282
01:01:34,609 --> 01:01:32,640
it's simple know this stuff I want to

1283
01:01:36,709 --> 01:01:34,619
get your book Terry and read it and see

1284
01:01:39,589 --> 01:01:36,719
what you have to say you know I've just

1285
01:01:41,749 --> 01:01:39,599
now started reading stuff you know that

1286
01:01:43,039 --> 01:01:41,759
other people's been through I knew

1287
01:01:46,729 --> 01:01:43,049
Travis Walton

1288
01:01:49,039 --> 01:01:46,739
and I had heard his story but I never

1289
01:01:51,229 --> 01:01:49,049
really got in you know got into it's a

1290
01:01:55,099 --> 01:01:51,239
listen and I actually went to watch this

1291
01:01:57,079 --> 01:01:55,109
movie fire in the sky and I've always

1292
01:01:59,719 --> 01:01:57,089
wanted to ask you me the movie was close

1293
01:02:02,749 --> 01:01:59,729
to what had happened to him or the some

1294
01:02:05,630 --> 01:02:02,759
Hollywood put out well he has answered

1295
01:02:07,459 --> 01:02:05,640
that question at symposiums where I have

1296
01:02:09,559 --> 01:02:07,469
watched him and he said there were

1297
01:02:12,109 --> 01:02:09,569
certain elements of the movie which were

1298
01:02:13,609 --> 01:02:12,119
quite true other elements were not true

1299
01:02:14,830 --> 01:02:13,619
for instance in the movie they showed

1300
01:02:17,830 --> 01:02:14,840
five guys in

1301
01:02:20,380 --> 01:02:17,840
in the truck instead of seven and that

1302
01:02:23,550 --> 01:02:20,390
rather made a difference in some of the

1303
01:02:27,670 --> 01:02:23,560
things but you should know at this point

1304
01:02:31,510 --> 01:02:27,680
there is another movie called Travis the

1305
01:02:34,960 --> 01:02:31,520
true story of Travis Walton and that's

1306
01:02:37,990 --> 01:02:34,970
out there probably available also on

1307
01:02:42,340 --> 01:02:38,000
Amazon as a you know a downloadable

1308
01:02:43,900 --> 01:02:42,350
watchable movie it's a it's a private

1309
01:02:47,440 --> 01:02:43,910
movie you know in other words it's not

1310
01:02:49,480 --> 01:02:47,450
been real oh well theater but if you go

1311
01:02:52,890 --> 01:02:49,490
on to Amazon the name of the movie is

1312
01:02:55,630 --> 01:02:52,900
Travis the true story of Travis Walton

1313
01:02:57,490 --> 01:02:55,640
okay well I'm gonna get it and watching

1314
01:02:59,890 --> 01:02:57,500
because I've always wondered about that

1315
01:03:04,930 --> 01:02:59,900
matter of fact I have Travis on my

1316
01:03:07,630 --> 01:03:04,940
Facebook page and I'll ask him and count

1317
01:03:09,370 --> 01:03:07,640
again for rusi your your mailing address

1318
01:03:12,580 --> 01:03:09,380
maybe she can give it to me

1319
01:03:17,440 --> 01:03:12,590
I'll send you a copy of my book good day

1320
01:03:20,140 --> 01:03:17,450
oh thank you okay so at this point we're

1321
01:03:24,010 --> 01:03:20,150
going to say goodbye and thank you very

1322
01:03:26,380 --> 01:03:24,020
much to both of our brave illustrious

1323
01:03:29,340 --> 01:03:26,390
guests and we can't thank them enough

1324
01:03:32,470 --> 01:03:29,350
and we hope they both will come back and

1325
01:03:34,840 --> 01:03:32,480
speak with us again and and who knows we

1326
01:03:37,980 --> 01:03:34,850
might get some panels going here with

1327
01:03:41,980 --> 01:03:37,990
some other abductees contactees or

1328
01:03:44,830 --> 01:03:41,990
experiencers so let's just say goodbye

1329
01:03:49,020 --> 01:03:44,840
to our guests I have a few more items to

1330
01:03:52,390 --> 01:03:49,030
discuss with it with Kate and Belle here

1331
01:03:54,370 --> 01:03:52,400
so so long fellas yeah it'd been very

1332
01:03:56,890 --> 01:03:54,380
close for speaking to both you thank you

1333
01:04:03,250 --> 01:03:56,900
so much Terry and Kelly thank you thank

1334
01:04:06,730 --> 01:04:03,260
you for having us so first of all I

1335
01:04:10,150 --> 01:04:06,740
wanted to say that to the people that

1336
01:04:13,450 --> 01:04:10,160
have been writing in to our and my

1337
01:04:14,970 --> 01:04:13,460
various websites both Fredette

1338
01:04:20,170 --> 01:04:14,980
wordpress.com

1339
01:04:22,630 --> 01:04:20,180
shattered reality com there have been

1340
01:04:25,720 --> 01:04:22,640
some commenters I have been running on

1341
01:04:27,810 --> 01:04:25,730
empty for about the last 10 days between

1342
01:04:30,840 --> 01:04:27,820
doing the shows and

1343
01:04:32,280 --> 01:04:30,850
also going to the MUFON symposium and a

1344
01:04:35,430 --> 01:04:32,290
few other things so I haven't gotten to

1345
01:04:37,500 --> 01:04:35,440
answer all of them but I'm going to have

1346
01:04:42,360 --> 01:04:37,510
some acknowledgments hopefully at our

1347
01:04:48,030 --> 01:04:42,370
next at our next show but I did want to

1348
01:04:54,900 --> 01:04:48,040
acknowledge Billy Cox of the void blog

1349
01:04:57,930 --> 01:04:54,910
and Rob Freeman from the UK radar expert

1350
01:05:01,710 --> 01:04:57,940
and our good old friend Earl Voss

1351
01:05:03,510 --> 01:05:01,720
because I hire Earl hi Freeman hi Earl

1352
01:05:05,550 --> 01:05:03,520
hi Billy if you're listening I have no

1353
01:05:09,270 --> 01:05:05,560
idea whether Billy actually listens or

1354
01:05:13,170 --> 01:05:09,280
not but I know that Freeman and Earl do

1355
01:05:15,690 --> 01:05:13,180
and it's been very helpful in putting

1356
01:05:19,890 --> 01:05:15,700
some of the things together getting some

1357
01:05:21,960 --> 01:05:19,900
insights from our listeners so listeners

1358
01:05:25,920 --> 01:05:21,970
you're out there I know you're out there

1359
01:05:29,160 --> 01:05:25,930
and I would like you if possible to make

1360
01:05:31,410 --> 01:05:29,170
some comments on on the blog if you are

1361
01:05:34,320 --> 01:05:31,420
an experiencer of any sort

1362
01:05:36,900 --> 01:05:34,330
doesn't have to be UFO experience or it

1363
01:05:39,000 --> 01:05:36,910
could be an out-of-body experience ER or

1364
01:05:42,720 --> 01:05:39,010
like somebody who's had a near-death

1365
01:05:44,190 --> 01:05:42,730
experience a poltergeist experience you

1366
01:05:46,890 --> 01:05:44,200
know the drill you know these things

1367
01:05:49,650 --> 01:05:46,900
that we talked about so please get in

1368
01:05:52,290 --> 01:05:49,660
touch with us if you want to get in

1369
01:05:55,220 --> 01:05:52,300
touch with us on our websites I just

1370
01:06:00,650 --> 01:05:55,230
named them shattered reality comm

1371
01:06:04,980 --> 01:06:00,660
shattered reality dot wordpress.com and

1372
01:06:07,680 --> 01:06:04,990
Ferruccio wordpress.com otherwise you

1373
01:06:11,760 --> 01:06:07,690
can email me separately at Ferruccio at

1374
01:06:17,850 --> 01:06:11,770
faroush accom fruit is spelled fa h ru

1375
01:06:21,630 --> 01:06:17,860
as h a at the @ sign fa h ru as h a calm

1376
01:06:24,780 --> 01:06:21,640
so don't hide out come out of the

1377
01:06:28,560 --> 01:06:24,790
woodwork and we will speak with you if

1378
01:06:31,950 --> 01:06:28,570
you do not want to be on the show in

1379
01:06:33,900 --> 01:06:31,960
voice I will read your experience or

1380
01:06:36,060 --> 01:06:33,910
Kate will read your experience at the

1381
01:06:39,030 --> 01:06:36,070
end of the show what do you say Kay

1382
01:06:40,890 --> 01:06:39,040
that's good alright so I think it's time

1383
01:06:41,160 --> 01:06:40,900
do you have Evan in any announcements

1384
01:06:43,650 --> 01:06:41,170
Kate

1385
01:06:47,180 --> 01:06:43,660
nope and so what do we do now say

1386
01:06:48,210 --> 01:06:47,190
goodbye okay goodbye from shattered

1387
01:06:58,020 --> 01:06:48,220
reality